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views-field-comment-body\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003E\u003Cp\u003E\u003Cstrong class=\u0022highlight-green\u0022\u003E@Braunm\u00fcller\u003C\/strong\u003E Ja, es hat eine Entwicklung gegeben: ich mache das fest an technischen Errungenschaften der R\u00f6mer. Beispiel (1): Die Zufuhr von sauberem Trinkwasser aus den Bergen \u00fcber hunderte Kilometer in die Millionenstadt Rom mittels Aqu\u00e4dukten. Brunnen, B\u00e4der, Thermen. In Wien mit 2 Mio Einwohnern wurde unter Kaiser Franz Josef I. vor 150 Jahren (1873) zuerst eine und dann noch eine zweite Hochquellwasserleitung errichtet, welche baulich exakt wie r\u00f6mische Aqu\u00e4dukte errichtet wurde, und bis heute \u00fcber ca. 150 km Flie\u00dfstrecke bestens funktioniert und fast ganz Wien versorgt, bei ungleich h\u00f6herem Wasserverbrauch als 1873. \u0026nbsp;Beste Wasserqualit\u00e4t. In freiem Gerinne, ohne jegliche Pumpe. (2) Dann hatten die R\u00f6mer schon Kanalisationen (leider direkt in den Tiber, noch ohne biologische Kl\u00e4ranlagen) Auch die \u0026nbsp;Kan\u00e4le von 1873 hat Wien weiterhin in Verwendung, mit Tunnelquerschnitten wie f\u00fcr Eisenbahnen. Beispiel Nr (3): Die R\u00f6mer hatten Zement, welcher mit Wasser und sogar unter Wasser aush\u00e4rtete und teilweise noch heute h\u00e4lt (Bauwerke, Aqu\u00e4dukte, Kuppel des Pantheon).\u0026nbsp;\u003Cbr\u003E\u003Cbr\u003ENun zur erw\u00e4hnten kontinuierlichen Entwicklung: Die V\u00f6lkerwanderung war kulturell so verheerend, dass grosse, funktionierende St\u00e4dte in Europa wieder ab etwa 1200 existierten, in einem hellen Mittelalter, nach einer dunklen Sp\u00e4tantike \u00fcber 1000 Jahre. Die Wasser Ver- und Entsorgung (1)+(2) fand in Europa wieder ab ca. 1850 in r\u00f6mischer Qualit\u00e4t statt, also etwa 1700 Jahre danach. Der r\u00f6mische Zement (3) ist bis heute (2025) nicht g\u00e4nzlich entschl\u00fcsselt. Es gibt zwar andere, hochfeste Zemente, aber noch nicht den r\u00f6mischen mit seinen teilweise \u00fcberlegenen Eigenschaften im Vergleich zu heutigem Zement (welcher zu hart und zu diffusionshemmend ist, oder nicht wasserdicht). Viele Millionenmetropolen des globalen S\u00fcdens haben 2025 noch nicht die Trinkwasserqualit\u00e4t des antiken Rom und leiden unter Infektionskrankheiten der schmutzigen, an der Oberfl\u00e4che unkontrolliert gef\u00fchrten Kloaken. Soviel zum technologischen und kulturellen Fortschritt aus demographisch-kulturellem Niedergang sowie Migration in Tsunami-Lichtgeschwindigkeit, wodurch Hochkulturen bereichert bzw. ersetzt werden.\u003Cbr\u003E\u003Cbr\u003EDringend empfohlen als wissenschaftliche Sekund\u00e4rliteratur: Das Lied \u201eBesuchen Sie Europa (so lange es noch steht)\u201c 1982 von der Band Geier Sturzflug.\u0026nbsp;( \u003Ca href=\u0022https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=yx5xhlwUxxA\u0022\u003Ehttps:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=yx5xhlwUxxA\u003C\/a\u003E )\u003Cbr\u003ESowie \u201eDas Narrenschiff\u201c von Reinhard Mey, 1998. 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